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TobyMcDonald: /* Make titles of Co-event pages more consistent */

2024-08-04T00:09:31Z

‎Make titles of Co-event pages more consistent

TobyMcDonald at 22:09, 1 June 2024

2024-06-01T22:09:20Z

TobyMcDonald at 00:57, 8 January 2024

2024-01-08T00:57:24Z

The Doctor: replies

2024-01-06T23:11:16Z

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The Doctor at 23:10, 6 January 2024

2024-01-06T23:10:53Z

TobyMcDonald: Additional comments

2024-01-06T17:50:47Z

Additional comments

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==Category:Contestants on other television shows==
Contestants on other game shows is probably equally as hard to track, and I've found 15 that fit into other television shows. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

==Category:Contestants with eight prelim conundrum solves==
Maybe "Category:Contestants with eight prelim octorun conundrum solves"? [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

==Category:Contestants with eight prelim centuries==
No one in the 480 club got eight scores over 60 in their prelims. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

==Category:Deceased people==
I know it's hard to track because of contestants, but we'd obviously only add the category if they've confirmed to have passed away, and I expect it would mostly contain celebrities. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

==Move all ''[[Letters and Numbers]]'' pages into mainspace==
What do we do with [[:Category:Episodes of Countdown in other countries]] then? [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

==Make titles of [[Co-event]] pages more consistent==
Can we at least agree that there aren't actually any official guidelines for this atm, and that inconsistency is an issue? There's also nowhere that says we need to use abbreviations for titles on this wiki - they can always be mentioned in the article. A couple of points I've found on Wikipedia are:

1. "Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles" ({{w|Wikipedia:Article titles#Deciding on an article title|source}})

2. "Always consider whether it is better to write a word or phrase out in full, thus avoiding potential confusion for those not familiar with its abbreviation" ({{w|Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations|source}})

Another thing is the individual games in Co-events. Titles like "Episode COLIN20051" are really confusing. So I've figured out a new system that makes the titles a lot nicer, like "Countdown in Lincoln 2005/Game 1". [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

==Delete the minor online tournaments==
We should probably also consider how many people care about these pages, especially the ones that don't even have any recaps or don't explain how the tournament worked. We also don't want to make extra work for ourselves as it's already a lot of work to maintain everything else.

A similar argument could possibly be made for most people in [[:Category:People who have not appeared on Countdown]], which could vastly reduce the number of red links if we don't link them anymore. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

==Page names of non-regular series==
The link I provided shows some examples. {{w|Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works#Capital letters|This page}} also supports sentence case. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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 :I am referring to the titles used by the organisers, because they '''are''' those titles and shouldn't be changed as I see it. Agreed on the games but it will need a separate discussion as to the use of "Episode" as the {{tl|episode table}} will automatically give it such a name. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::As an example, the Liverpool event coming up has been named "Co:Liv II" on c4c, "Countdown in Liverpool 2024" on the Facebook group, and "Co:Liverpool 2024" on the wiki, so there's no official title there. Surely the only official titles are things like "CoLei Summer Special", "CobliviLon" and "Co:LeedsLeedsLeeds", etc.? [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 00:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 ==Resolved==

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-==Category:Contestants on other television shows==
+==Unresolved==
-Contestants on other game shows is probably equally as hard to track, and I've found 15 that fit into other television shows. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
+===Category:Deceased people===
 I know it's hard to track because of contestants, but we'd obviously only add the category if they've confirmed to have passed away, and I expect it would mostly contain celebrities. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
-==Move all ''[[Letters and Numbers]]'' pages into mainspace==
+===Move all ''[[Letters and Numbers]]'' pages into mainspace===
 What do we do with [[:Category:Episodes of Countdown in other countries]] then? [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :Oh. Didn't realise that existed. Not hugely happy with it, but hey ho. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
-==Make titles of [[Co-event]] pages more consistent==
+===Make titles of [[Co-event]] pages more consistent===
 Can we at least agree that there aren't actually any official guidelines for this atm, and that inconsistency is an issue? There's also nowhere that says we need to use abbreviations for titles on this wiki - they can always be mentioned in the article. A couple of points I've found on Wikipedia are:
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 ::As an example, the Liverpool event coming up has been named "Co:Liv II" on c4c, "Countdown in Liverpool 2024" on the Facebook group, and "Co:Liverpool 2024" on the wiki, so there's no official title there. Surely the only official titles are things like "CoLei Summer Special", "CobliviLon" and "Co:LeedsLeedsLeeds", etc.? [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 00:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
-==Delete the minor online tournaments==
+==Resolved==
 We should probably also consider how many people care about these pages, especially the ones that don't even have any recaps or don't explain how the tournament worked. We also don't want to make extra work for ourselves as it's already a lot of work to maintain everything else.
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 ::Ok, that's fair. :) [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 00:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
-==Page names of non-regular series==
+===Page names of non-regular series===
 The link I provided shows some examples. {{w|Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works#Capital letters|This page}} also supports sentence case. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :I don't like it in that it looks messy with the main series, which always has a capital in tables etc. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::Ok, but can we still put the series in brackets? I want to create an "italic title" template and it would make it much easier to use. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 00:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Maybe "Category:Contestants with eight prelim octorun conundrum solves"? [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :"Octochamps with 100 per cent conundrum success in preliminaries" maybe? [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 ==Category:Contestants with eight prelim centuries==
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 Another thing is the individual games in Co-events. Titles like "Episode COLIN20051" are really confusing. So I've figured out a new system that makes the titles a lot nicer, like "Countdown in Lincoln 2005/Game 1". [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :I am referring to the titles used by the organisers, because they '''are''' those titles and shouldn't be changed as I see it. Agreed on the games but it will need a separate discussion as to the use of "Episode" as the {{tl|episode table}} will automatically give it such a name. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 ==Delete the minor online tournaments==
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 :There is no argument that will wash with me for deleting this stuff; just because it is not relevant in 2024 doesn't make it delete-able. I did a lot of work on doing the wiki pages for [[JOLT]], [[Spoilers 2020]], [[Apterous Masters]], so really I am arguing the direct opposite; that wikipages for apto tourneys should be encouraged. As for the category, I agree in theory but they were arguable at the time through ZoomDown, and I would argue that anyone with many red links from co-events should get a page. It's been one of my long-standing ideas that [[Special:WantedPages]] should have as few red links in possible. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 ==Page names of non-regular series==
 The link I provided shows some examples. {{w|Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works#Capital letters|This page}} also supports sentence case. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :I don't like it in that it looks messy with the main series, which always has a capital in tables etc. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Another thing is the individual games in Co-events. Titles like "Episode COLIN20051" are really confusing. So I've figured out a new system that makes the titles a lot nicer, like "Countdown in Lincoln 2005/Game 1". [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
-:I am referring to the titles used by the organisers, because they '''are''' those titles and shouldn't be changed as I see it. Agreed on the games but it will need a separate discussion as to the use of "Episode" as the {{tl|episode table}} will automatically give it such a name.
+:I am referring to the titles used by the organisers, because they '''are''' those titles and shouldn't be changed as I see it. Agreed on the games but it will need a separate discussion as to the use of "Episode" as the {{tl|episode table}} will automatically give it such a name. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 ==Delete the minor online tournaments==
@@ Line 33: / Line 33: @@
 :There is no argument that will wash with me for deleting this stuff; just because it is not relevant in 2024 doesn't make it delete-able. I did a lot of work on doing the wiki pages for [[JOLT]], [[Spoilers 2020]], [[Apterous Masters]], so really I am arguing the direct opposite; that wikipages for apto tourneys should be encouraged. As for the category, I agree in theory but they were arguable at the time through ZoomDown, and I would argue that anyone with many red links from co-events should get a page. It's been one of my long-standing ideas that [[Special:WantedPages]] should have as few red links in possible. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 ==Page names of non-regular series==
 The link I provided shows some examples. {{w|Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works#Capital letters|This page}} also supports sentence case. [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :I don't like it in that it looks messy with the main series, which always has a capital in tables etc. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)