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| | This page is for making any suggestions of major changes to the [[Countdown Wiki]]. This is to try and prevent having a lot of work to undo if other people don't agree with them. | | This page is for making any suggestions of major changes to the [[Countdown Wiki]]. This is to try and prevent having a lot of work to undo if other people don't agree with them. |
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| − | ===Category:480 club members=== | + | ===Category:Seven-time winners=== |
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:800 club members===
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:Jos games===
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:Series runners-up===
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:Championship of Champions runners-up===
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:Contestants in special episodes===
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # Already covered by [[:Category:Contestants]] for miscellaneous contestants. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:Contestants who debuted under 16 years old, or Category:Under-16 contestant debuts (not sure which is better) – for those who didn't win any games (separate to [[:Category:Prodigies]])===
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # Expand criterion of prodigies instead. I don't think both can co-exist. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:Contestants on other television shows – for people who have appeared on shows like ''First Dates'', ''The X Factor'', the news, etc. (separate to [[:Category:Contestants on other game shows]])===
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # Too hard to track? [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:Contestants with eight prelim conundrum solves===
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal) | + | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 22:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC) (Not sure if it should include people that didn't play an eighth game, which were [[Helen Grayson]], [[Cathy Morgan]] and [[Geraldine Hylands]]) |
| − | # Can possibly be automated using {{tl|octostats}} but furthermore it will need rewording for people who have e.g. 8 from 9. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:Contestants with eight prelim centuries=== | + | ===Category:Co-events=== |
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal) | + | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 22:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC) (Subcategory of [[:Category:Countdown tournaments]], to separate them from things like [[Edinburgh Countdown Club]], [[Countdown Marathon]], etc.) |
| − | # May also need 9-round over 60? [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ===Category:Deceased people – other wikis have this, but I understand if people disagree with this one=== | + | ===Category:Co-event locations=== |
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal) | + | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 22:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC) (For pages like [[COLIN|this]]) |
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| − | # Too hard to track. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ==Move all ''[[Letters and Numbers]]'' pages into mainspace==
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| − | Currently, most of these pages are under Johnny Canuck's user page because he was writing most of the recaps. I'd be willing to write some of them, but I don't think it would make sense for me to put them under his user page.
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| − | Also, some of them are already in mainspace, so it would make it more consistent too.
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| − | Then, I'm not sure whether all the contestants should have pages or not.
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # Not entirely sure it is within the scope of the wiki? [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ==Make titles of [[Co-event]] pages more consistent==
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| − | I think that we should do away with the abbreviations on Co-event pages as they are very inconsistent at the moment. Also, I think they should all be by their year (e.g. Countdown in Lincoln 2014), rather than the number of the event (Countdown in Lincoln X).
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per prososal)
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| − | # [[User:BeachBoy99|BeachBoy99]] Agree with this. Retain the roman numeral system for COLIN, since it's really the only one that necessitates it because of its annual repetition. Abbreviate every other event as Co:[location] [year], for example Co:Rugby 2024. I tend to abbreviate the location if it's over 9 letters in length (don't ask why; I'm weird), so Co:Manchester = Co:Man; Co:Birmingham = Co:Brum. For locations made up of more than one word, initial them: Milton Keynes = MK; King's Lynn = KL, etc. 21:18, 02 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | # Completely disagree as we should use "official" titles and abbreviations where possible. If needed, ask FOCAL for advice. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | ==Delete the minor online tournaments==
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| − | Since there are so many online tournaments, would everyone agree to just keep the more well-known/current ones and delete some random ones, such as:
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| − | *[[Goatblitz 2010]]
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| − | *[[Apterous FA Cup]]
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| − | *All pages in [[:Category:Apterous Summer 2009]] and [[:Category:Apterous Winter 2009]]
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| − | *[[Aptobash]]
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| − | *[[Asian Cup Tourney 2011]]
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| − | *[[COGST 2008]]
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| − | *[[COLT]]
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| − | *[[COOT 08]]
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| − | *[[COOT 3]]
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| − | *[[Summer Open]]
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| − | *[[Apterous World Cup]]
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per proposal)
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| − | # '''Strongly against'''. If anything creating more articles for online tournaments would be a good thing. This is a legacy of the pre-tourney system days when the Wiki remains the only way you can keep records of these tournaments. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | There's two possible ways I've thought that this could work:
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| − | 1) Using <code><nowiki>{{CURRENTWEEK}}</nowiki></code> and 52 templates called "Template:FA week 1" to "Template:FA week 52". The only problem with this is that they will fall behind by one day every year (and two days every leap year).
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| − | :a) Utilising 1 April as an April Fool's featured article and then having "Template:FA 2–8 April", "Template:FA 9–15 April" and so on.
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| − | :b) Or by starting with "Template:FA 1–7 January" and making one of them eight days long.
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| − | If option b, I'd propose ''[[Countdown]]'' to be the eight day featured article on the week covering 2 November. The only way I think this will work is if the Main Page has <code><nowiki>{{FA {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}}}</nowiki></code> with all the individual dates as redirects.
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| − | We'd also need about 20 more featured articles, so some suggestions from me are:
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| − | *''[[8 Out of 10 Cats Does Countdown]]''
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| − | *''[[Calendar Countdown]]''
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| − | *[[Carol Vorderman]]
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| − | *[[Charlie Reams]]
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| − | *[[Conundrum]] and [[numbers game]] (since [[letters game]] is)
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| − | *[[Episode 1907]]
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| − | *[[Episode 4473]]
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| − | *[[Episode 5654]]
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| − | *[[Episode 6287]]
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| − | *[[Goody bag]]
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| − | *[[Gyles Brandreth]]
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| − | *''[[Oxford English Dictionary]]''
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| − | *[[Richard Whiteley]]
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| − | *[[Series 69]], [[Series 63|63]] and [[Series 41|41]] (the three strongest series according to [[Eoin Jackson]]'s [http://www.c4countdown.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=13871 analysis]).
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per proposal, using option 2b)
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| − | # Not fussed how this is delivered, but any markups will need reviewing by peers. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| | # Not in favour; keeping them just above the episode tables creates more notability than they would otherwise. We have {{tl|CofC}} which is more Wikipedia-style and I like as a good bottom-of-page thing. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC) | | # Not in favour; keeping them just above the episode tables creates more notability than they would otherwise. We have {{tl|CofC}} which is more Wikipedia-style and I like as a good bottom-of-page thing. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 23:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC) |
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| − | I think that individual series of ''[[Calendar Countdown]]'', ''[[Countdown Masters]]'', ''[[Celebrity Countdown]]'', and ''[[8 Out of 10 Cats Does Countdown]]'' should have the series in brackets with a lower case s, and a lower case p for pilots, as shown {{w|Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television)#Season articles|here}}.
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per proposal)
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| − | # Shouldn't titles be in Title Case? [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | I think that phrases like "15-round" and "9-round" should have hyphens in them, as they seem like compound adjectives. {{w|Compound modifier#Hyphenation of elements in English|This page}} on Wikipedia seems to confirm this too. This would mean changing [[:Category:Octochamps of the 15 round era]], [[:Category:Octochamps of the 9 round era]], and moving all the format pages.
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| − | # [[User:TobyMcDonald|TobyMcDonald]] 19:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC) (Per proposal)
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| − | # [[User:BeachBoy99|BeachBoy99]] Again, another thing that should be done. Doesn't look right without the hyphen. 21:31, 02 January 2024 (UTC)
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| − | # Suspect there were reasons at the time why it was created this way but if not, agreed. [[User:The Doctor|The Doctor]] ([[User talk:The Doctor|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/The_Doctor|contribs]]) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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